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I didn't know that the VG-8 or VG-88 was used as a looper. Are you sure about this? Are there any other questionable "loopers" on this list you've compliled? Stephen -----> On this subject--I tried doing some stuff with the Kaoss Pad II yesterday, it definitely loops! But no overdub or decay (feedback)--it's a sample player--and the MIDI control is very limited. Gary PS Got a VG-8 and GK-2a but have yet to try them out--more gear than time-- G