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I think there are a heck of a lot of people who would sign up here, see all the bickering and nonsense, and unsub due to the massively high sig/noise ratio that occurs at times on the list. Very few people I know have the time to read and process all the stuff that goes on on here - I certainly don't! :o) I read less and less of the posts here, just scanning the headers for something of interest. I also think that a lot of musicians are just too into making music to bother discussing it endlessly online. I'm sure there are players whose approach to learning about a form is to read product reviews, listen to some artists, then just futz around with the gear until they get a vibe, rather than come here and ask questions about the nature of looping. Or they'll ask them to specific players who are lurking elsewhere on the net. A lot of the people who use looping that I know are using DL4s and Headrushes and RC-20s for some pretty basic functions, so the notion of a loop list is kind of a like 'Chorus Delight' or 'Tremelo Delight' to them - it just doesn't get under the radar. I stick around cos I've made some cool friends here, and by scanning the headers I get the occasional bit of interesting info. but I certainly don't look to LD for much in the way of changing my thinking about music or looping. If I want EDP tips I'll go to 'Dre's outstanding tutorial, and anything else I can work out. I could get more happening in terms of conceptual looping approaches by spending an hour toying with the G2, putting the looper between different kinds of effects than I could by rummaging through the archives searching for 'new loop ideas'... It's just a function of the net - some people gravitate towards cyber-community, others don't. No biggie... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net (new guestbook/forum here, live looping video, MP3s, etc. etc.)