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Hi Rick, I actually agree with a number of your pet peeves here (stop the press, I know), but I want to suggest looking at this from a couple of different perspectives. Someone once said that being a live performer involves being "an exaggerated version of yourself," and I think there's a lot of truth to that. (Especially if we're talking about using a technology which literaly does that very thing in a musical sense.) Some people are energetic extroverts, others are sardonic comedians, others still are mysterious enigmas. A big part of how they come across onstage is going to begin with who and what they are before they get onstage. So to me, talking about eye contact, or using lights, or taking live solos over loops, or what sort of drum machine programming to use, becomes almost impossible to discuss in any sort of general sense, because it lacks any specific context to give it meaning. Taken on its own, it's like talking about what kinds of chord changes a person should play over, or how a song should be structured, or whether people should sit or stand when they play. These all depend on what kind of music someone's playing, what kind of personality they have as performers, and how those things are working together to frame the audience's perception. And there's nothing more cringe-inducing than seeing someone who's self-consciously doing some kind of hollow, contrived on-stage gesture just because it's an accepted signifier of being "engaging" or "dynamic," when it clearly lacks any meaningful connection to who they are as performers or people. The one universal truth that seems to apply to performers and audiences is that a player who knows what they're doing, and has something to say, is almost always more engaging than someone who doesn't. So before anyone can worry about how to translate their playing to an audience, they need to be able to play without an audience. That's the first and foremost place to look at: does the music work as music? If you ignore any technological cleverness, real-time dexterity, or other technical considerations, and just deal with it as an unfolding musical event... does it hold up? If not, then that's the first thing to deal with - before you can ask an audience to connect with your music, you've got to connect with it yourself. That means woodshedding, recording yourself and critiquing the bits that need improvement when you listen back. It helps to compare what you do to other music in the same genre - not other people who loop, but other people who are operating in the same general aesthetic and stylistic space that you are, regardless of what kind of gear is in their rack. Don't ask listeners who know the musical territory you're working in to lower their standards to accommodate the extra effort involved in doing something in real time. Raise yourself to those existing standards instead. Once the basic foundation of what you're doing is together, THEN is the time to start thinking about how you want to translate it to an audience. And a translation will probably be in order, because some things that sound great as recorded events might not be so interesting as a live performance. This is where a lot of Rick's issues should work themselves out: some people can use eye contact to connect with an audience, and other people will look like a deer caught in oncoming headlights. Some people can make live soloing and extended repetition elevate their music, but others could bog down an otherwise engaging performance with gratuitous and aimless noodling. Funny facial expressions or outrageous clothes that might help one player draw an audience in could completely undermine someone else's vibe. A drum machine pattern that sounds flat and canned for one player might work perfectly in someone else's recipie for performance, where it's surrounded by a whole different set of musical and gestural ingredients. It's like picking out a wardrobe - a suit and tie projects a person differently than a t-shirt and jeans. The only way to figure this out is personal trial and error. And ultimately, I don't think any of this is unique to looping - it has to do with the craft of performing music for an audience, and that isn't going to instrinsically change based on the presence or absence of a long delay line in someone's rig. --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP