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the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the idea of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to play 40-45 mins.....at y2k3 lots of sets were just takin off and they were over.....perhaps it should be up to the individual, the upper limit might be 40 mins. but if they want to play less so be it.....this might require a reduction in artists but i feel that it removes the pressure of setting up, wipeing the sweat off, hoping your sound is right, performing and then getting the heck off stage.....3 days, some 30 players is a lot to digest.....also some time might be set aside for an open jam, this would allow these mostly solo players a chance to see what it is like to interact musically with other folk in a looping context.....good thread rick!.....michael