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<<warning - this post will piss-off a bunch of people>> I personally believe performances are best when they are about 2 "songs" too short -- better to leave an audience wanting more than the audience wanting to leave... If it takes you 20 minutes to "get it going," find a way to play 20 minutes before you hit the stage. :-) Between 1998 and 2001 I helped organize about 10 looping shows in Boston and Providence. Most of these involved solo players. I found most of the time after 10-15 minutes a person seems to run out of gas, repeats him/herself, or in some way seems less compelling. OK. Here are a few ideas I would suggest might be helpful to organizing good looping events; 1) Communicate clearly and repeatedly what the load-in, on stage logistics and set-times are going to be. If you're signing up to organize an event, then feel free to organize! Also, learn before-hand what set-up people will be bringing. Spend time with the soundperson communicating the evenings "agenda/sequence." 2) Require that all the musicians get their act together technically and musically. I had a simple rule during "The Looper Collective" shows: expect the club to provide the PA and the house/stage monitors and a sound-person, otherwise if you need to use it, bring it yourself. I would mention this many times. As many loopers don't perform a lot, they tend to forget things. - extension cords - guitar cables - d.i. boxes - amps (!) 2b) If possible, have everyone set-up BEFORE the show. If you have a large stage, it's a good idea to get everyone set-up before-hand. Everyone gets to have a sound-check and leave the stage. Set-up and tear-down for a looper can be lengthy -- better to avoid it while an audience is in the room. 3) Get each person to submit a 50-word artist statement / description that can appear in a playbill of flyer (not a resume!!!). This helps everyone understand what the musician is aiming to achieve. And gives us something to read when the performance lags... 4) Curate the event. That does not mean being everyone's friend. It means contextualizing things to have a "point" or "purpose" to the flow of things so the AUDIENCE gets the core thrust or message. If you have no core message to the event, that rocks too. But then don't pretend that you do! :-) 5) Structure the event to be AUDIENCE-oriented, AUDIENCE-focused. It seems most loopers are instrumental soloists and after 10-15 minutes frankly they can become repetitive, so keep individual set-lengths SHORT. Some artists ARE interesting for 45-60 minutes, but in my experience they are a very rare exception. If you have one of them on your event, others do not automatically deserve equal time. This structure is now probably done to death, but here's the flow I settled on for The Looper Collective shows at the time. The goal was to make things interesting for the audience and to get players to perform spontaneously too. This sequence presumes all equipment is on-stage and checked before the doors open. Segment I: ~1hr 4-6 musicians each with a 10-15 minutes solo-segment. Intermission ~ 15 minute Segment II: ~ 40 minutes 2-3 duets - where the previous solo artists spontaneously form pairs, sometimes trios. Segment III: ~ 15 minutes All-in scrum looping miasma orgyathon. Adding each "segment" together, each musician had about 45 minutes on stage. Not every TLC show followed this format. For example, David Barnes' Echo Chamber Ensemble (a 10-piece mini-orchestra that loops as it performs) became the center-piece for an evening, and everything revolved around it. Over three years of activity TLC featured looped didgeridoo, electric drums, marimba, chain-saws, tig-welding torch, upright-bass, keyboards, voice, flute, zither, turntables, piano, "super-mario brothers" game sounds, guitar/guitar-synthesizer, a mini-orchestra, thermin, violin and trumpet. The one time I succumbed to a night of "looping guitarists" there was a black leather pants and white frilly shirts dress code. They looked like gods. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nemoguitt@aol.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER?...and why should we do it? > the only thing i could add to rick's, andre's and max's thoughts is the idea > of longer set times.....rather than 30 mins. one would have the option to play > 40-45 mins.....at y2k3 lots of sets were just takin off and they were > over.....perhaps it should be up to the individual, the upper limit might be 40 mins. > but if they want to play less so be it.....this might require a reduction in > artists but i feel that it removes the pressure of setting up, wipeing >the > sweat off, hoping your sound is right, performing and then getting the heck off > stage.....3 days, some 30 players is a lot to digest.....also some time might > be set aside for an open jam, this would allow these mostly solo players >a > chance to see what it is like to interact musically with other folk in a looping > context.....good thread rick!.....michael >