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No Matthias, it's not about trying to create conflict, or trying to stifle answers. It actually has something to do with a quote which I learned from Rick Walker, ironically enough: "There is no us and them; there is only us." So when I hear about - for instance - somebody using a DL4 to loop under a solo, who is "not a looper per se," it raises questions for me. It makes me wonder where the distinction between the "them" of this DL4-touting singer-songwriter is made, to differentiate him from "us." It makes me wonder what the common defining traits are of the 500-odd people who are on this list, reading this thread right now, that would imbue them with a "true looper" designation, that's missing from our Line 6-soloing emmisary of the "them" delegation. It makes me wonder a lot of things - like why serious, intelligent, critical discussion, which can take into account the 40 or 50 years of historical precedent for the subject of the discussion list, always seems to make a bunch of everyone's collective undergarments in a forum made up principally of adult, middle-aged men. I'm sorry to hear that I was apparently responsible for your losing three months, Matthias. Maybe it would be easier if everyone thought the same things, felt the same feelings, and understood the same unspoken beliefs. Unfortunately, I'm a pretty dumb person, so sometimes I need things explained to me, and sometimes it takes an explanation that goes into more depth and detail than "It is this way because this is the way we say that it is." For the time being, I don't want to be a negative vibe merchant - especially to the people whose work and music I've spent innumerable hours trying to be supportive and enlightening about over the course of eight and a half years. So as wise man once said, "My work here is done. Now, I must go." Perhaps I'll poke my head back in at some point. In the meantime, those who want to know how to track me down. Good luck to y'all. --Andre LaFosse Matthias Grob wrote: > I put a lot of energy into creating a mutual support organization to > inform the world about looping music and make looping musicians life > easier. > The ones that did not like the idea (mainly for the lack of a hard > definition) won. Also because Kevin left Gibson. I lost 3 months. > But what did you win, really? > Well, I have more things to do, maybe things I can do better... :-) > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org