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Words are social constructs, and they mean what we want them to mean, usually by some sort of agreement, and usually for the sake of communication. But that in no way means there is only one meaning :) Maybe, like the subject "Andre comes back..." implies, the question we need to ask our list (our selves) again and again, sort of like looping, is "What does looping mean to you? Here's what it means to me." And then, like the Sufi story of the blind folded people and the elephant, stand back and listen to the different descriptions of something that may be too big for any one of us to describe. I've been trying to understand looping for years, ever since I first read "Introduction to Electro-Acoustic Music" by Barry Schrader, a book many of us probably have read. Over those years, whenever, I heard or saw anything pertaining to looping, I checked it out. That's how I got on this list. And since I wanted to "understand" looping, I needed to "stand under" some Masters. And Masters many of you are, and I bow to you, in respect to all you've been teaching me! But I still don't understand looping! Maybe I'm slow, since I started playing drums in high school in the fifties, and I'm just getting around to looping, but for me, it's a process of discovery. Like, do I use software, or hardware? Do I need to be connected to a looping device, like the Repeater or the Line 6 DL4, for example? Are those any different than using the delay effects that's already in the Fantom-S, which also does loop recording? And so on... So many technical issues, that seem to be a part of the musical path many of us have chosen! Oh well, if you're tired of all of this, try discussing with an evangelical fundamentalist what a Christian is, and do you need to be re-baptized by submersion, and do you need to be dunked once, or three times. You'll really get you self into a loop if you go there! Cheers, Tom