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At 09:13 PM 4/9/2004, Damon Grossman wrote: >QUESTIONS: >Is there another looping product besides EDP that gives you independence >of >tracks and stereo? >How can i buy two EDPS? >How much per EDP should I expect to pay? >Should i buy new or used? >ebay? I just saw one go for around $630 used. Aren't they around $1000 >new? >West La Music, a local music store? >Direct from Gibson? Damon, I'm sure a lot of other people will chime in with their thoughts, but since it seems to have been a whole two hours with no reply <*gasp*>, I'll go ahead and get things kicked off. First, the EDP+ is listed at Musician's Fiend for $799 even as we speak, but from what I understand there's a supply-side problem with actually getting them in the stores. A quick peruse through the archives should fill in some of the blanks, or perhaps some of the individuals more closely linked to the situation will step in. It does seem as if a lot of the users here recommend Alto Music, however, and they may be a good bet for an EDP purchase once they begin coming back into the stores. Used units on Ebay may go for cheaper, but make certain they've had their memory filled up (the new units come with max memory, if I remember correctly). Also, you may have to pony up for a foot controller if your don't already have one. Next, I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy regarding stereo (these days, I mostly play synths so all my sound sources are stereo). With the EDP, you do have to buy two units and brother sync them together to achieve stereo functionality. For that reason, I'm not an EDP user myself. Personally, the stereo thing is the one issue that always blew the EDP's price-to-value ratio out of the water for me. If I've got to save up almost two grand to get a stereo EDP, then I'll save for a bit longer and get an Eventide or, better yet, a Kyma. Anyway, end soapbox -- as always, YMMV and there are others here who certainly feel differently. Also, there is evidently an effort in the works to port the EDP's operating software over to the Soundarts Chameleon. While there will be obviously be some limitations of other sorts on that platform, at least it'll stop myself and various others from whingeing on about the EDP's lack of stereo support at a reasonable price-point. As for alternate options, you should start by going through the 'Tools of the Trade' section of the Loopers Delight website ( http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html ). My personal choice is the Electrix Repeater, which is a favorite of many others here on the list as well. It features four independent tracks which can be used separately or linked into stereo pairs, as well as some nice extras (effects loop, ability to shift time and pitch independent of each other, loop storage/recall via CFC, etc.). Though discontinued, you can still find them on Ebay for around $800 these days. Some of the other options that take stereo into account: On the upper end, you've got the aforementioned Eventide Orville or the Symbolic Sound Kyma, both of which will allow you to at the very least reconfigure the algorithms in order to customize the box for your task (heck, the Kyma is actually a programmable hardware platform which can be customized to be just about anything you want -- effects or otherwise). Then you've got the old dependable Lexicon units -- like the Jamman or the PCM-42 -- which still perform well. And at the low end, you've got quirkier boxes like the Cycloops. These may not exactly be your cup of tea or they may be exactly what you're looking for. As I said before, YMMV. >Other percussion loopers unite. I am looking for other loopers who are >also >percussionists. It seems that the majority of members of this group are >guitarists. There are a good deal of guitarists here, but there are a lot of other instrumentalists as well -- bass, synths, winds, orchestral strings.... There are also quite a few kickass looping percussionists hanging out here too, but I'll let them step up and introduce themselves in their own time. Welcome to the list; I don't think you'll be disappointed in the least. :) -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil