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an interesting topic, true. I still (being 50) have problems with self-esteem, not so much in my daily and (non-musician) professional life, but definitely when making music. Especially when jamming with people who are very professional musicians, the fear to be judged and the self-image that I actually can't play very good still often makes me disappear - I don't dare to stand out and play solos, or to take initiatives. Rather, I play with too little volume. And this even though people usually tell me afterwards, I think I like what you played but can you turn it up a little please? > Does low self-esteem come from internal sources or external?" I'd say the self-esteem thing (high or low) is a self-image, a bunch of deeply seated ideas about ourselves. This society is built on comparing and competition. We suck that up with our mother's milk, and depending on how we were configured in the beginning, and conditioned during our early years, we end up with a self image that we are either better or worse than others. Just like the other parts of our self-image, it is continuously held up by habitual - and usually unnoticed and therefore unconscious - ways of thinking. Comparing and judging, mostly. Either I'm not so good and they are better, or they aren't so good and I'm better. Or, what do they expect and can I meet their expectations to that they love and admire me. I guess one way to deal with it is to slowly recondition ourselves, by facing our fears, like Rick does with his solo voice loop shows, learning that one isn't so bad after all, and getting a better self-esteem over time. I'm also trying to stand out more during jams and trust my musical abilities more. Just like one gets more used to play on stage when one plays more on stages. Generally, I'd say it is necessary to closely watch the unconscious comparing/judging thoughts right in the moment when they come up and do their thing. When watched closely they become less unconscious and automatic. The more I spend time watching the same things going on again and again, the more I see that I'm acting like a programmed machine most of the time. Oh well. But sometimes in these moments when I see that clearly, I feel free. Oh my god. Let's start a psycho/meditation group and do looping retreats. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de