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Regarding Rick's long and interesting discussion on looping, exact copies, and small randomness "livening up" a repetitive pattern: as I remember things, one tenet of information theory (as I learned it) is that the more of the content of a message that you are able to predict, the less information that message contains. So predictability is inversely correlated with information. So even slight variations in a repetitive sequence raise the level of information. hmm, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/