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Boy oh boy, I've been enjoying this thread big time - this and the Britney Spears thread, particularly the "Mr. Intellectual bloop bleep" riff (which I've been saying for YEARS in some form or another about my own loop based music). But re. music and the visual arts: I had some of my loop-based stuff on the ther day while my son was listening, and I asked him what he thought it sounded like. He immediately replied: "Painting." He also gave this critique of some music from his second grade class: "Mrs. Hibbard played some Clay Aiken Christmas song for us today. Nicky and I didn't like it; it wasn't very musical." I'm very proud of my boy! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net