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No, all of the places you've mentioned fall into one of the two aforementioned categories: places that expect you bring a crowd, and places that don't care. There's lots of sub-divisions to those categories, but that division is as fundamental as charging admission. On Apr 10, 2005 5:15 AM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect ,there are many more than two kinds of places to >play, > many of which do pay but aren't in it for the money.There are all kinds >of > possible places to sponsor gigs that aren't food or drink businesses. > Personally,I've played on the street, in subway stations, in > churches,schools, hotels,on boats , on the dock,in the woods,on the >beach , > at political events and, demonstrations, at all sorts of fundraisers, in > parking lots, at festivals,at retreat centers, at swimming pools at yoga > centers, at healing rituals,at a firewalk ceremony,at all sorts of > weddings,a great variety of parties,in ballrooms,concert halls, theaters, > ,in parades,at TV stations,at radio stations, for conventions,for > classes,and workshops, for awards cermonies, for dance performances,for > plays ,accompanying a slide show to promote environmental awareness, > improvising along with an animated film,in Art museums,and at art > openings,at farmer's markets,and flea markets,community centers, at > Christmass fairs, Street Fairs, First Night celebrations, at >picnics,fitness > centers,libraries,in public parks ,at city hall ,at an opening ceremony >for > a new building,4th of july,and oh yes coffeeshops, bars,in shopping malls > and restaurants In many cases one is neither foreground or background,or > both ,or each at different points in the process. > There used to be this brilliant band in Eugene Ore. called > Onamatopoeia,they would put up flyers saying they were appearing at the > goodwill parking lot at midnight-and they would play and there would be >like > 50 people there.Once they played in the safeway produce section at 3 am >they > even plugged stuff in-took over a half hour to get thrown out. I went to >one > of their gigs in a big empty gallery ,and they were behind these big >white > sheets,all you could see were sillouettes. > I think they made $500. passing the hat playing in the parking lot > during a grateful dead show > reminds me of the story of the Violent Femmes playing on the street > outside a Pretenders concert,being almost completely ignored,but someone > from the band heard them ,thought they were great,hired 'em to open so >there > they were onstage when the doors opened,they got a record deal out if it > too. > >