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jj 179 wrote: > I'm still looking for an *inexpensive* way (i.e. under $500 if at all > possible) to have multiple loops **of different and not-necessarily-related > lengths** looping together in the same box. I know some of the more > expensive units like the Repeater and the EDP can supposedly do this, but > boy I'd sure like a cheaper option. :} Not to sound like a broken record (although I couldn't imagine a more accepting community for doing so) but... The Boss DD-20 will get two asynchronous loops going quite easily. By switching between any two user-defined presets, you could have two asynchronous loops at a time. Since the DD-20 costs under $200 in US stores, you could have four asynchronous loops (in two boxes) for under $400 US. Use the Pan mode, and you could have four *pairs* of asynchronous loops with up to 46 seconds per loop. And the DD-20 stays in amazing sync with itself. I've been using two since February 05 and have developed whole new pieces based on the two percolating away at simple ratios of each other, remaining in sync for ten-twenty minutes at a time. No MIDI though. And speaking of MIDI, my quaint and non-technical understanding of such things tells me that MIDI-synced variable-speed audio delay is the Holy Grail of FX engineering. We're probably going to have to wait until some new code is established before a looper/delay with synching capabilities will sell for under $500. Otherwise they'd be added as easily as LCDs and Stereo outputs. dB, el Coyote ps - What happened to Smoke Stick Devil? What happened to that grumpy classical guitarist? And does anyone remember the "anti-Miko" who irrationally replied to anyone's post with expletives? How about Robert Fripp's close pal Terry Blankenship? Who was YOUR favorite flame-maker? Collect 'em all! Trade 'em with your friends!