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On Jun 14, 2005, at 23:57, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > I am curious how many of us use looping as a way of playing more > "conventional" music and how many of us are making the beeps and > bloops? I'm not sure that I correctly understand the (eventual?) difference between those two concepts, but I can try to answer for myself. I guess I usually do both when looping. As an improvising musician I have always tended to work a lot with melodies. That's something that others might like but I have always felt a bit alienated by the melodic side, maybe being afraid of the music to stand out as "too sweet". So to compensate that melodic side, that I seem not being able to escape, I have always put effort into developing an interesting tone; be it in physical instruments that I play or by plain programming of electronics. "The beeps and bloops" is one way to create such an interesting tone. Does that qualify me as a player of "conventional" music? ;-) To be a bit more general I must say that I like listening to music that appears to lack melodic elements. But I don't like listening to music that have no direction, no question and answer dialogue, no tension building up and no letting go of tension. I like to think that the difference between music and noise is that music does imply directions in movement, which noise doesn't. I like listening to noise as well, BTW. But I find it very difficult to play noise, there is always a melodic element creeping in to it. So, to use that flavor you have to call in the machines. Does that make me a beep' n blooper? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen