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No kidding? I should have known someone would have done something similar. Bravo! I'd love to hear the recording. G Lydian....nice. I've always liked that mode. It is the compliment to one of my favorite chords to use in jazz and abstract music, the Maj7b5 (or Maj7#4), which incidentally in most versions of jazz theory is the fourth mode chord (by function) in the scale of chords, using the major scales as the foundation. I - C Maj7 ii - D Min7 iii - E Min7b9 IV - Fmaj#4 V - G7 ....and so on. Most people play a Fmaj7 as the IV chord, but technically it should have the #4/b5, otherwise you have a minor second interval conflict between the mode and chord. Now what I really find intriguing is jazz melodic minor theory. Just take the conventional system above, but use them melodic minor (not the classical version, that descends differently), as the first mode, and so on. Very odd and counter-intuitive at first. My friend, Mark Levine, who wrote the Jazz Theory Book and Jazz Piano Book has a whole section on melodic minor harmony, which I think is brilliant. Incidentally, if you don't feel comfortable playing the maj7#4 chord, you can use it anytime you need to play a Dominant 13th, just play the maj7#4 a whole step below where you would ordinarily play the Dominant 13th. For instance, an Fmaj7#4 can be played as a rootless substitute of the G13. Fmaj7#4 contains the b7, 3, 6, and 9 intervals of G13 (the 6th interval here can be regarded as a substitute of the 13th). You don' need the root if you have a bass player tagging it for you. And the 9 makes it complete, otherwise without it, it would be a G7/13. Guitarists see #3 here: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ for how I play the chord. It's not at all difficult to finger and feels very natural. Speaking of Zappa, he liked to play the Lydian mode a lot. You can hear it on many of his recordings where he is playing guitar. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mathematics, Prime Numbers, & Looping with the EDP I actually have a piece that I'd conceived of prior to getting my EDP 6 years ago that does exactly that. It's called "Gradus." I start off with a single-measure loop and then build a mensural rosalia with successive passes of multiply with duration ratios of 2:1, 3:1, 5:1, 7:1, 11:1, and 13:1. After building the massive rosalia, I turn down the feedback and improvise over G lydian for the 2nd 'movement' which eventually fades out. I did come up with two separate scores for the piece. One is an 'artistic' score in the vein of George Crumb's beautiful scores where the staff spirals out from the center. I also have a performance score which implements the beginnings of a notational system for the EDP footpedal. (The notation system could easily be adapted to any footpedal configuration.) It's funny, though, I conceived of the piece back in 1993, before I'd ever heard of looping, but never quite figured out what to do with it until I got the EDP 5 years later. I wrote the piece in my first session with my brand new EDP. I've got a recording of a performance from the 2003 Iowa Composers Forum Festival that I can post sometime this week. It'll give me an excuse to finally clean up that recording (the original recording was made on an ADAT set to 48k and was not resampled when transferred to CD, so the piece is slower and in the wrong key). Cheers, Jon Southwood On 6/20/05, Hartung, Kris <kris.hartung@hp.com> wrote: > > > Okay, how about a topical detour? I think if I see the email subject > heading > "RE: Why I'm starting to loath news paper music critics" one more > time, I'm going to throw up...I feel as if I've created a not-so-Tiny Monster Ex Nihilo! > :) > > I introduced looping to a fellow guitarist and friend here in Boise, > Idaho (USA), and he brought this up as an idea, so I can't take credit > for it. I searched or it on the LD archives with no luck, so I'm not > sure if anyone has discussed it here before either. So here it is... > > How about creating a looped piece by using the multiply function on > the EDP and the series of prime numbers (only numbers that are > divisible by themselves or 1). For instance, you hit Record and lay > down a 1 measure groove, then hit Multiply and record a 2 measure > harmony over that groove from the beginning of the measure....hit > Multiply to play the sequence, then hit Multiply again and record a 3 > measure texture part, again from the beginning of the first measure, > and repeat this process with 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, etc measures > adding various textures, melodies, etc. After a while you might have > to write the song out on paper to keep track of the loops. > > Has it been done? Or perhaps the question is why would anyone want to > do it? Someone who likes mathematics and working these things out, perhaps.... > > Thoughts? Volunteers? Examples of it already done? > > ********************************************************************** > ****************** > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Mojam Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > Featured, Sold, or Downloadable on over 100 sites: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/links.htm > Music & Video Catalogue: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/catalogue.htm > 37 Free downloadable songs in MP3 format: > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung_music.htm > Reviews: http://www.boisemusicians.com/reviews.htm > > > >