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Now that sounds great. I have a Peavey 1600x that would be close to worthless (since programming hex and working out bugs in it isn't among my life goals), were it not for the great editor PvC. Come to think of it, maybe the 1600x could learn the Behringer functions and then be used to edit it easily. Clearly I need to look at the FCB Yahoo group. Thanks for the tip! Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? One thing to consider, and it is a big thing- someone on the FCB1010 Yahoo group made a PC editor that is wonderful. He had no help from Behringer. Programming the FCB by hand is something you'd want to do in stages, as it results in serious wrist (or ankle) pain- several button presses for each preset. With the editor, complex presets can be stitched in no time at all. It is a wonderful tool and certainly needed if you use an FCB and a PC. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com