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for those who don't read Robert Fripp's diary at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml "The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational." Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de