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Thanks for the info. I've been thinking about doing a little guerrilla busking myself and get one of those new little micro cube roland amps which sound pretty darn cool and big for how lite and small they are. You could convince the cops that the DL-4 is how you keep tempo from the flashing lights, and ply them with donuts! but seriously, I have had two recent outdoor gigs that the DL-4 shut itself off when the power source was running brown, i.e. the wall current is less than what is required to optimally run gear. The last gig I had pretty much convinced me of this . We (a five member band) were sharing power with a PA system and a DJ, on one very long ac cable. I also think that the same circuit was being used by the coffee makers, blenders, and god knows what else. My normally clean sound vibrolux was sounding muddy, and I also noticed that the Lexicon MPX100 in my rack was shutting down. The time before that this happened, I was convinced it was the DL-4 malfunctioning, but now after replacing a couple of key components and having the same behaviour happen under the same circumstances....hmmmmmm Anyone else have this problem happen? I think from now on I will put fresh batteries in the DL-4 just in case. And bring my own 100ft power cord. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking I've battery-busked with various combinations of DL-4 and/or RC20 through a Pignose or a tiny little Smokey amp. By itself, the Pignose is preferable. However, if you use a Smokey to drive a speaker other than the miniature self-contained one, it can sound pretty good too, and surprisingly loud. Also, I remember doing this on separate occasions to see which of the DL4 or RC20 was better on batteries, but I don't remember which one won the contest. As I recall (foggily), either of them was fine for a few hours. The city where I was doing this has an ordinance prohibiting amplified music outdoors (regardless of volume), so I was using acoustic instruments (guitar or sitar) with the amp concealed in a little rucksack, and taking care that the amp's volume was roughly the same as the acoustic instrument's. Of course, the volume pedal and big bright green DL4 with a cable leading into the knapsack would have been a dead giveaway had law enforcement decided to step in. :P -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com