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i think the best ones aren't easy to reproduce with knobs, buttons, presets etc... that's probably what help make them great ;) for example, i have used a Jam Man, rack multi FX of whatever brand, and a mixer with some old guitar pedals sent in to it with great results. a lot of old pedals have weird additional FX, like a short delay on a distortion pedal or weird aspects of an old chorus pedal... by messing with the returns and levels on all these mixer channels something like a drum machine source gets very interesting (and "mangled"). of course it's more improvisational or intuitive, and thus not designed to capture and repeat each sound effect. but i've found the best results often come from tweaking small parameters within an effect or sound in response to live situations, whereas changing between preset effects or effect groups is too abrupt/drastic for me. just my 2˘! -jb > Boss VF1 isn't too bad. And believe it or not, an old Lexicon LXP5 has some > crazy sounds on it...I have one, sitting in my closet. :) Both aren't packed > withh a lot of nobs, thought, and the LXP5 is incredibly >counter-intuitive > to program. Hmmmm, this is an interesting challenge. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:17 AM > Subject: AW: sound mangling devices? > > > Nick, > > "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is "maximum > amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? > > Without having these questions answered: Bitrman (only heard about that > one), Zoom 1201, Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, > Lexicon Vortex... > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 18:11 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: sound mangling devices? > > > Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2, > but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the > maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price? > > It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live > performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit > more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! > > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > > > > > ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org