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Oh come on people. Look around. Echoplex... did they buy the concept of looping from the people who made the tape version? Who was the first real time looper? Should he or she be getting monthly checks from every one who makes a looper? Does Les Paul get a cut of every electric guitar made? Moog sure didn't invent the analog synth... was the first Moog ethical? I remember a while ago Matthais was talking about doing a software version of the EDP, as he was pissed off at how Gibson was dealing with him and his product. Not sure if that situation has changed, but I sure don't see him with a product available. The maker of Mobius gives his software away... how could you accuse him of being anything but of the highest ethics. While we're on the topic of ethics, shall we talk about how Gibson buys companies and buries them? What other oberheim products have gone the way of the dodo under Gibson's ownership? Hmm? Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com