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A few strategies I'd like to throw into the pot..... Rather than expecting the drummer or other players to follow your loops, why not make your loops in such as way that you can follow them? For example, 1. Make it a strategy to be able to stop and restart your loop without derailing the piece. With the EDP one can re-define the start point of even the most freeform loop and then stop and restart it in time with the drummer. It's possible to make this musically significant and a feature. 2. Remake your loops regularly, plan to only use a limited number of repetitions. If you want chord sequence backing then record each chord into a different loop location and trigger via MIDI. EDP "Flip" mode is interesting. You can do a similar thing with a foot controller on the VF-1 where input to a short loop and it's feedback are on the same controller in opposite directions. 3. Include less rhythmic information that has to coincide with the drummer to sound "correct" or at least to not sound as if it's clashing. Leave a space in the overall dialogue for the drummer to say what he wants not what you expect him/her to say. 4. Sometime a much longer loop covering a larger structural unit of a piece will include those marginal pushes and pulls against the nominal tempo that mark out where you are in the overall scheme of things. (See Rick's earlier posts about syncing to click on a bar to bar timescale). 5. If the loop has sufficient rhythmic information then expect a more decorative approach from the drums. Let your expectations include the drummer playing across your loop, something different to your loop, something in response to it rather than the same as it. 6. Play more, loop less. Loop a part as a last resort rather than as soon as you can. Give a part to a looping device just long enough to attend to another thing and then take the part back again. 7. Tacet is good !!! Not really an answer to the original technical question but strategies that I have used in practice. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:53:11 -0500 > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Subject: re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? (was: re: Synchronizing Real >Time > Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') > >>> I've been following this discussion about > getting a drummer to sync to a loop or having a drummer > (or any musician) trigger a midi device that will then work off > of the drummers time (continually retriggering the loop).<< > > Thanks, Rick. I was thinking more along the lines of using the > tap-tempo device for small adjustments to the *tempo* when required - > rather than re-triggering all the downstream loops based on the > tap-tempo device. In my mind, this would mostly be used to begin a new > improv at a new tempo. > > It also implies a common language of cues so that the first set of loops > loop is faded or muted before a radical tempo change is >counted/tapped-in. > > I am also encouraging encouraging the drummer to use drum loops as he > appears to be headed this way - although I wouldn't want an entire set > to be drum loops. He's got several midi controllers including a > gorgeous ZenDrum, and coulds contribute percussion, ambient textures and > melody on top of a basic drum loop. So tempo adjustments would be more > deliberate than simply trying to get back in the groove - although > hopefully that should be possible, too. > > I hadn't really considered the monitoring issue - since I fully expect > to be bringing the sound system I expect we can set up a dedicated > monitor for our rhythmist. > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY