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i do believe that hardware devices exist that can spit out midi clock derived from a real-time tempo input such as a drum track or live drummer. On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > You would have the same problem with a hardware looper. Once the loop > length is set, the drummer has to follow the loop. I don't care how > accurate the looper is, you can't tap start/end points and remain in > sync with a drummer that is keeping their own time. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams