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What a loop (or a guitar, or an effect, or a style of music, or instrumental technique, or...) has to say is what YOU are and what YOU have to say. Everything else is a tool that you are using to outwardly create that expression. Everything. The only usefulness of valuing skill in the use of one tool over skill in another lies in the determination of what skills are necessary to play the music you want to play. and I believe (perhaps naively) that the audience can always see through a hoax. in & out, Tom www.freeimprovisation.com