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I go both ways, and have been in general, un-impressed by most digital modelers, with the exception of the Vox tonelab , which IMO has very few downsides sound and feel wise. If I had my druthers, I'd rather use stompboxes, because they are simply easier to tweek on the fly, However i would be missing all of those great amp simulations to play with. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digital vs. Analog (Was: Line 6 Tonecore Verbzilla) I don't want to seem like a troglodyte or anything but I wonder if people have simply considered a judicious selection of analog pedals and a good cab simulator instead of digital simulations. I have a modest pedal board with pitch-shifter, delay, distortion, wah, reverb and chorus but I never seem to run out of incredible sounds to create from it. I've tried a number of digital boards but the problems I have with them are twofold: First, patches aren't intuitive. I don't know exactly what I'm getting as I do when I'm tweaking knobs. There's a discontinuity that I find very disconcerting. Second, digital simulations seem to break down at those very points that I find most interesting when I'm working with analog effects. A digital howl disappears just when I want to goose it with excessive amounts of gain or with total abuse of my wah or pitch-shifter pedal. A low level multi-harmonic hum fades just when I want to capture it in a loop. Am I alone here or are their other folks who like to abuse analog or even acoustic effects? Or will I finally see the light and buy a laptop to cultivate my very own VST farm? Cheaply, Kevin