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> Because in my mind and apparently many others who use both interfaces, we > see it that way. That's unfortunate, as the world is not black and white, especially when it comes to user needs and information management/communication. A lot of people like tea, and a lot like coffee, but I don't insist that stores only carry or display one or the other. In fact, to satisfy customer wants, this is why there is the "Charger" - chai tea and shots of coffee. If you're proposing a NEW paradigm, then please explain further what you're imagining. Well, it's not even a new paradigm...that's an exaggeration. It wouldn't take a programming genius to develop a system that is email based like the system you are accustomed to now, but also has a web-based interface that draws from the same data-base. If a person's needs are met, why would he/she give a gnat's ass whether another group of user's needs were also met? Seems like a win-win situation to me, unless folks are just being belligerent and counter-productive about the whole thing. Don't we want to satisfy multiple user needs? Or is this group just a bunch of ego maniacs who care about nothing show-n-tell of their own unique needs. This is supposed to be a community... > I'd MUCH rather have sorted email. Yes, and that is what you shall get...do you not like the idea of having it your way, but someone else being satisfied as well? I can;'t imagine what you sex life is like ;) just kidding...really...I'm in a frisky mood because of the stress of planning. I am smiling now. > We're a fairly informed online community and merely stating our > preferences. The future could certainly bring improvements over either > system. Agreed...and back to my point. If everyone focused on this new system rather than bashing one or another, then we might get somewhere. >> With a savvy programmer, you can do anything you want. > > I'm sure someone's working on something? You mentioned deliverables... > what > are they? The actual system, whether it is off the shelf and customizable, or if someone has the know-how, one built from the ground up. It depends on what everyone wants...but it's certainly possible. >> All this dispute about the merits of one or another is a straw man > argument. They are not mutually exclusive. > > Or course not, but I'm curious about this middle ground you're talking > about. Short of that you're stuck with our opinions... That's exactly what should compel us to move on...that we are stuck with diverse opinions. The middle ground....it not obvious? Consider the various needs expressed in this thread thus far....now imagine a system that meets them. There're your middle ground...it's a Charger. clearly there's been > a lot of posting of preferences, so people feel they have something to > defend based on experience. I don't know why anyone is defending anything. It's not like the current LD list is under threat of alien intrusion. We're just expressing our needs and wants. That sort of healthy dialogue sometimes leads to improved products and services...sometimes...sometimes it just pisses people off. > Great job on the festival though! Sounds like a new level of organization > and understanding... I TOTALLY support the amount of time and energy > you've > been putting into that, along with all the other activity you're involved > in. Truly high energy involvement... great job Kris! Can't wait to hear > some > of it if possible. Thank you! It has been a lot of work and I can't wait to see it in action. Tonight they setup rows of stage lights and, hopefully a system to control them. I am making a moveable stage curtain, to move from one stage to another, so that group A can setup in peace while group B is playing, etc. We're getting down to the wire now.... Kris > > Cheers, > Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." > C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz > Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz > The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com > > >