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>> Because in my mind and apparently many others who use both interfaces, >we see it that way. > That's unfortunate, as the world is not black and white, especially when it comes to user needs and information management/communication. A lot of people like tea, and a lot like coffee, but I don't insist that stores only carry or display one or the other. In fact, to satisfy customer wants, this is why there is the "Charger" - chai tea and shots of coffee. It's not unfortunate that I have a preference... and I will certainly welcome alternatives when I see them and assess their usefulness to me. You seem to have misunderstood our responses to the question... "Which do you prefer?" It's just a preference... If this group is now discussing web-development, then the discussion is wandering, and confusing us all. >> If you're proposing a NEW paradigm, then please explain further what you're imagining. > Well, it's not even a new paradigm...that's an exaggeration. It wouldn't take a programming genius to develop a system that is email based like the system you are accustomed to now, but also has a web-based interface that draws from the same data-base. If a person's needs are met, why would he/she give a gnat's ass whether another group of user's needs were also met? Seems like a win-win situation to me, unless folks are just being belligerent and counter-productive about the whole thing. Don't we want to satisfy multiple user needs? Or is this group just a bunch of ego maniacs who care about nothing show-n-tell of their own unique needs. This is supposed to be a community... You're talking down to us now Kris... I want what you want... unfortunately it's not here yet. (If it is, someone point us to it!) Once again... we're just responding to a simple question of preference. Once again... it's all OT and you seem to want to go deeper in the discussion. > > I'd MUCH rather have sorted email. > Yes, and that is what you shall get...do you not like the idea of having it your way, but someone else being satisfied as well? I can;'t imagine what you sex life is like ;) just kidding...really...I'm in a frisky mood because of the stress of planning. I am smiling now. Your condescension is really showing now Kris. Never once, did I say someone else couldn't have it their way. I'm not imposing anything on anyone... yet I feel that in some way, you're getting pushy about this. Satisfy US Kris... understand the nature of our replies to a simple, inane question, and quit calling us close-minded luddites. > > We're a fairly informed online community and merely stating our preferences. The future could certainly bring improvements over either system. > Agreed...and back to my point. If everyone focused on this new system rather than bashing one or another, then we might get somewhere. Where's the bashing? We're just saying we don't like web-based systems. Just preferences. > >> With a savvy programmer, you can do anything you want. > > I'm sure someone's working on something? You mentioned deliverables... what are they? > The actual system, whether it is off the shelf and customizable, or if someone has the know-how, one built from the ground up. It depends on what everyone wants...but it's certainly possible. It sounds like you want us all to brainstorm and come up with something. Start a thread that clearly states that and see if you get any takers. Yes... it's certainly possible. Pretty far from looping though. >>> All this dispute about the merits of one or another is a straw man argument. They are not mutually exclusive. >> Or course not, but I'm curious about this middle ground you're talking about. Short of that you're stuck with our opinions... > That's exactly what should compel us to move on...that we are stuck with diverse opinions. The middle ground....it not obvious? Consider the various needs expressed in this thread thus far....now imagine a system that meets them. There're your middle ground...it's a Charger. Again... you seem to want something from us. Move on? From WHAT, to WHAT? > I don't know why anyone is defending anything. It's not like the current LD list is under threat of alien intrusion. We're just expressing our needs and wants. That sort of healthy dialogue sometimes leads to improved products and services...sometimes...sometimes it just pisses people off. If the question was just a random, which do you like, with no intention of how the list might look using one or the other, it's OFF TOPIC. It's natural to think that ideas that pop up here are somehow pertinent to us and the list, and might lead to action of some sort. So NO don't change the interface. Otherwise... YES! Invent something better. I'm not so sure it means a lot to me here on this list though. Again... this isn't a programming or web-developer discussion group. > > Great job on the festival though! Sounds like a new level of organization and understanding... I TOTALLY support the amount of time and energy you've been putting into that, along with all the other activity you're involved in. Truly high energy involvement... great job Kris! Can't wait to hear some of it if possible. > Thank you! It has been a lot of work and I can't wait to see it in action. Tonight they setup rows of stage lights and, hopefully a system to control them. I am making a moveable stage curtain, to move from one stage to another, so that group A can setup in peace while group B is playing, etc. We're getting down to the wire now.... Kris Good luck Kris!