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Thanks Stefan for the informed reply--I appreciate it. I haven't used Max since V. 2 or 2.5, so it's been a long time. On 5/9/06, mark t <aleatoric12@gmail.com> wrote: > If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to > study or modify into your own thing? thanks. Sounds like PD. I messed with AudioMulch for awhile, but I didn't like the limited midi processing (maybe I missed something). Bidule lets you go to a pretty low level, but I haven't spent much time with it. Another idea I've had is writing your own custom VST loopers in SynthEdit. Elottronix shows it is at least possible. Of all the possibilities, it seems only PD is free. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon