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What about Synthedit? http://www.synthedit.com/ It's basically a VST effect/instrument creation tool. But, you can write your own C modules to do whatever you want. There's a decent SE community, but unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of egos and childish behavior on the lists. But, there are some great people who help and Jeff (the creator) is always willing to answer questions. The Crystal synth http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html and Elogoxa's Elotronix looper http://www.elogoxa.net/ were done with SE. Tony -----Original Message----- From: mark t [mailto:aleatoric12@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to study or modify into your own thing? thanks. On 5/9/06, Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> wrote: > Art Simon wrote: > > I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and > > has an opinion. > > Well, the most advanced is Max, and the developement is rapid. Pd is > heading quit fast as well, both communities are strong and will give you > any help you need (its very important). I don't know what version of Max > you got, I'd say its worth the upgrade price. If its a pretty old > version, Pd might be close to that now. Main difference is UI objects, > which are way more advanced in Max. In general you can do anything with > both. Certainly looping software. > > jMax died recently and the better parts of it have been put into FTM > which is a library for Max, and since shortly also for Pd. Though jMax > is open source, I don't think anybody is developing it any further... > > If you can't afford Max, get into Pd... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > >