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You crammed an EV in a Polytone? Impressive. I should have tried that with my Teeny Brute...I did notice those Polyetone speakers are quite odd, which tiny cones. I'm wondering if they special made them that way as a part of their sound, etc. They are quite amazing for solid state amps. I think part of the reason is that they are crammed full of padding inside and they are sealed. That seems to mellow out the tone a bit...show knows...I just wish I had mine back. Actually, they are still making the smaller version of the JC-120, which is the JC-90: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=250&ParentId=57 It is stereo as well. I thought the JC77 was mono. I used to have the JC-90. It was a lot easier to pack around, but I found the it to be too mid rangy and nasely for my taste. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to >promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite > of > cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. > As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a > fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound > flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a > problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all > these > years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on > these > things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can > sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal >processors. > Go > figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a > nice > warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker >I > managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 > amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after >I > added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and >later > I > switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally > abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to > tube > combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the >looping > thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and > certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern > peers, > but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels > better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked >with > a > good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the > Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want > something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find >a > used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on > EBAY > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 > 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker >configuration, > I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging > middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every > time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the > tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. > Cheers > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing > little boxes. > > Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making >a > fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some > amazing > jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. > Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all > calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state > Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. > Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at > times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the >board. > The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. > > ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot > for selling that years ago. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the >> tonelab >> (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box >> effects >> on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the >> front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the >> original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and >a >> rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring >> modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to >> pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it >in >> the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well >last >> week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just >dumb >> struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the >> tonelab. >> Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it >> adds >> tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of >anything >> from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet >> smooth >> and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just >submitted >> a >> review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good >> it >> sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the >tone >> lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a >> more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, >> early >> marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the >> bill. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> --- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote: >> >>> Mark has a point, >> >> I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! >> >> >>> Do take >>> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a >>> transistor amp, not jazz >>> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set >>> maybe the vox ain't for >>> you. >> >> Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good >> JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... >> I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key >> was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab >> modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris >> has a couple of) >> >> I have to say that as much as I like some of the >> stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio >> I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are >> really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab >> sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. >> Also I found they're one of the best processor out >> there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds >> (though not for guitar) >> >> Mark >> >> Mark >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >