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One mans poison is another mans pudding. Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Yes. The distortion on the Jazz Chorus is strange. It's all flabby and rubbery. It's not a classic sound at all. And has little recommend it. It's not the kind of thing people ever use really. Therefore I like recording it. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to >promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite of > cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. > As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a > fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound > flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a > problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these > years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these > things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can > sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go > figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice > warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker >I > managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 > amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after >I > added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I > switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally > abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube > combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the >looping > thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and > certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers, > but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels > better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a > good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the > Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want > something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find >a > used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on > EBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 > 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration, > I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging > middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every > time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the > tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. > Cheers > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing > little boxes. > > Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making >a > fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing > jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. > Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all > calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state > Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. > Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at > times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the >board. > The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. > > ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot > for selling that years ago. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab > > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box > > effects > > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the > > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the > > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a > > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring > > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to > > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in > > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last > > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb > > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. > > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it > > adds > > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything > > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet > > smooth > > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted > > a > > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it > > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone > > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for >a > > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early > > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the > > bill. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > > > --- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote: > > > >> Mark has a point, > > > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > > > > >> Do take > >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a > >> transistor amp, not jazz > >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set > >> maybe the vox ain't for > >> you. > > > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris > > has a couple of) > > > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio > > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > > (though not for guitar) > > > > Mark > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >