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i've been checking out the G-force and eclipse myself, and from what i've seen the eclipse is far superior to the G-force...to me it seems like the g-force is too "conventional" to make weird noises... I should say that this isn't real-life experiences, but just from research, so that might totally void anything i said :) if you really want to go nuts on your loops, check out the harmonizer H7600. Just read the preset manual http://www.eventide.com/pdfs/h7600pm.pdf and be amazed...maybe once i become president of the US or figure out how to be an heir to donald trump i will buy it ;) Charlie On 6/24/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic > Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest >in > only one of these, which would give me the most tone mangling / effect > goodies for the buck? The Fireworx appears to have a lot of different >types > of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd like to > hear from some of you who own these units. > > I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay, > reverb, pitch, and chorus/modulation effects, but also ring mod, >hopefully > some quasi-synth guitar like effects, Filter, and whatever else it can > muster. I've heard some really ethereal and rich pad-like sounds from >the > Eventides, which I really like, so that is a must. > > Why you ask? Now that my laptop system is complete and serving me well, >I'm > building a botique, yet simple rack system on the side...Looperlative, >two > VF1s', and whatever I decide from the above five units. > > Kris > > >