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I love this post. Absolutely delightful to read. I think the reason you are "now rosy cheeked and losing weight"....is probably from carrying heavy gear to gigs? :-) I think you are off-base in your description of differences, though. You describe one possibility with max: performance oriented patch. but you can also do other things.... > Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make > you think of Concepts. Musicians can think music or concepts with either package....I'm thinking of music when patching in max....I know others do it as well..... > Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. > think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and > construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string > quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for > quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each > slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a > sleeping child. That is certainly one possibility, and one that I would like to see/hear!!!! But you can also do other things...like create a vst host that works like YOU want it to..... Krispen, chime in here....! > Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible > environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future > musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will > probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance > thingy that Max would make... Reaktor can run inside of max...best of both worlds, if you want them. My goal with my software instrument was to make a replacement for my 150 plus pounds of pedals and hardware. Done. In max. Flexible environment/tool created. Easy to upgrade/modify in the future. And it does more than those pedals. I just wish Mobius was ported to mac.....that would be awesome.... > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are > not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... > evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much > and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. > Just say NO... love it! :-) best, Jeff On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:54 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: > As someone who has worked quite a bit in both these apps, I can say > that although there is no difference in the capabilities or the sound > quality of both, there is a MASSIVE (please imagine font size 72) > difference in "what one actually DOES with them!" > > Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. > think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and > construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string > quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for > quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each > slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a > sleeping child. > WHEREAS: > Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible > environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future > musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will > probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance > thingy that Max would make... > > Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make > you think of Concepts. Therefore ones Max patch tends to be minimal > "experiments" and ones Reactor Patches tend to be > full-on-floor-stomping-aspirin-chewing-noisy-nighmares... > > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are > not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... > evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much > and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. > Just say NO... > > just mho > > mark francombe > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is > now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/live > type people... beware, here speaks the words of truth from a > recovering addict, now sit down relax and dream of those enigmatic > metal boxes with flashing lights and real cables... racks... and now > when you are completely relaxed ask yourself this question, "am I > using a laptop cos its easier to get to gigs?") > > > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com