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> when i upgraded from 4 to 5, i found that i actually > lost some audio > processing capabilities. A long time ago I learned (the hard way) that no computer system is worth more than about 1 or 2 software version upgrades. You get more features and often higher quality, but there's always a price. More often than not, if your system is working the way you like it and you don't *need* the new features, it's best to make a disk image of your machine end freeze it in time. a song with 10 channels and > about 30efx units Wow, that sounds like a very, very heavy mix. None of those effects could be put no sends so a single instance of an effect might deal with multiple channels? Good way to save CPU cycles. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com