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mark sottilaro wrote: > More often than not, if your system is working the way > you like it and you don't *need* the new features, > it's best to make a disk image of your machine end > freeze it in time. b-b-but then it won't get 'better'! moore's law was largely an invention of the microelectronics industry to justify and 'naturalise' the industry practise of built-in obsolesence. over time it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. it is idiotic. my friend Warwick makes electro-blues with a commodore 64. http://www.myspace.com/control6580 > a song with 10 channels and >> about 30efx units > > Wow, that sounds like a very, very heavy mix. None of > those effects could be put no sends so a single > instance of an effect might deal with multiple > channels? Good way to save CPU cycles. that's not the way i make music :-) picture up to 5 sends, each sending to each other with variable amounts, with upwards of 5 (sometimes 10) effect units on each send == lovely lovely lovely feedback loops. especially with Live's digital clipping (it sounds nicer than other kinds). for a while my live performance process was: add a new effect unit to the feedback chain, play with it until i got bored, repeat. mainly because i could :-) aah digital... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed