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What's the hype about jam bands, anyway? And adding looping to boot? How much burnt sage, petrulli oil, and hours of noodling can folks actually tolerate? :) Heh heh...sorry, I had to get that one in. I guess I don't understand what more looping can add to the jam band thing, unless it is to replace a band member, which would be fairly easy to do given how repetitive most jam band "jams" are...and folks want to add more repetition to an already repetitious structure? Now, if we're talking the really good Phish improvs, that is a different story....those guys know how to jam without it being a mind numbing, THC induced, drone-on-the-same-string/scale-for-a-fucking-hour fest. You could take a nap, wake up and hear the same shit playing. Most jam bands I've seen are virtually devoid of any creativity. It's a social thing, albeit, like sex, drugs, and alcohol with Rock n' Roll...no one expects artistic genius. Even Keller's set is not that inspiring from a creativity standpoint. The final music output is entirely unoriginal...the chops are standard (except the vocals and therimin playing, which have much to be desired), and the looping technique is fundamental. That's his bag I guess, but I'd wager that any of the competant multi-instrumentalists out there (thousands) could pull a similar set off with little effort, after learning the basic functions of the looping device. What is left after stripping every other possible unique factor away from his set is that he appears to be one of the only successful guys doing it for large crowds...this says nothing of the music, by the way, just marketing, time, and energy to create a niche. I'm sure it works for him...I'd comittt suicide if my musical career came down to that. I hope this gets someone bent out of shape...I like bending people out of shape! :) K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" <aaronleese@hotmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 > > > > Yeah, the jam band scene is Kellers bread and butter ..... I first saw >him > play at a jam band festival a number of years back. It was the first >time > I saw anyone loop .... actually he looped a good bit more back then. > > Keller, on the other hand, credits Victor Wooten as the first person he > saw loop. > > Speaking of which, I saw Bela fleck this past year. Every member of >that > group (minus the saxophonist) has a solo performance for every show. > Victors was a long looped piece on the RC50. He managed to play all the > parts to a Bela fleck song himself, then just float off into a bunch of > fun looped jams. VW is amazing man. > > Anyway ... your right, the jam band scene has taken to looping pretty > heavily now. There are a number of jam bands that use loop pedals. > > > > > >>From: Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Keller Williams / jam bands/ rc50 >>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:48:14 -0800 >> >>Well... I found Keller interesting because he draws a decent crowd. >>What's about this jam band thing? Is HE a jam band? Do any of you >>besides David (Gans) pursue this avenue? Seems like fertile ground for >>loopers. >> >>I've finally gotten pretty deep into the RC50 and am already deeply >>lusting for a Looperlative. The inability to switch between multi mode >>(loops playing simultaneously - like layering) and single (loops playing >>linear - one after the other) within one set of loops is kind of >>frustrating. I'd like one loop to be the guide track that plays under >all >>the other loops... but not have all the other loops layer on top of each >>other. (I wonder if you can do that with the Looperlative?) >>OR, in the RC 50, if you could replace the dorky preset guide tracks >>would be sweet. Haven't found that in any documentation. Seems >>possible, though. >> >>The limitation of three loops is a bomb - especially for a non layering >>looper! And the well known RC50 glitch is a pain in the butt sometimes. >>But it sounds good enough. And I am definitely now fully addicted to >>looping! >> >>Haven't tried looping in the (nonMIDI) band setting yet because I think >we >>might need in ear monitors to hear the click track and stay in sync. >>Might experiment with it when all the members are together again, though. >> >>Hayley's record will be out in March and that's going very very well. >>We're remixing, recorded new songs and new drums on some of the old >songs. >>Crazy because the original was - I think - perfect, but the record >company >>wanted the new songs and Hayley wanted a different drum sound on some of >>the songs - less pop, more 'live' feeling. >> >>Every day is a new measure! >> >>richard sales >>glassWing farm and studio >>vancouver island, b.c. >>800.545.6846 >>250.752.4816 >>www.glassWing.com >>www.richardsales.com >>www.hayleysales.com >>www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >>On 26-Nov-06, at 1:29 PM, David Gans wrote: >> >>>At 12:44 PM -0800 11/26/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> >>>>Folks who aren't used to the concept of looping are taken the newness >of >>>>Keller's thing (to their ears) but once you get past the fact that >he's >>>>using some box to record his playing, then you just focus on his >actual >>>>music, which I personally found to be standard singer-songwriter fare, >>>>based on the one live CD of his that I bought, which is where I >expected >>>>to find the big display of looping that I'd heard about for several >>>>years. He's unlikely to be raved about on a guitar or bass discussion >>>>list either, which isn't a problem...unless the focus of the list >itself >>>>is guitar or bass playing, in which case that aspect receives primary >>>>consideration in most cases. >>> >>>Yeah, I understand that. He's not pushing the many limits, for sure. >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com >>>Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 >>>Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com >>>Web site: http://www.dgans.com >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by > style, age, and price. Try it! > >http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline > >