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Rainer wrote: "It's all laptop these days, or at least dominated by them. The laptop users themselves are split into two main camps: MAX/MSP and Mobius. Apart from that, there's of course still the old crowd using their Repeaters, EDPs, Looperlatives and whatnot." As a musician who feels he is right up with what's going on in the digital musical world and who also uses Repeaters, EDPS and Looperlatives eschewing the laptop paradigm for some very salient and well thought out reasons, I take small umbrage for your characterization of me as 'the old crowd'. Is John Mclaughlin considered old school if he does not play a Line 6 digital modelled guitar? I think not. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that laptop users are making a bad mistake. In fact, Jeff Kaiser has come closer than any single musician to convincing me to chuck all my hardware and go laptop. In the spirit of very friendly (and even affectionate, in your case, Rainer) disagreement, rick walker