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thanks Cara, great track! Around four minutes in, the layers of guitars really start to resemble some other instrument, like a chorus of violins using bows made of glass. The stretching effect at the end is very cool too, pretty harsh but I love the crazy buzz of it. Rainer and Per, thanks for the plug-in/VST recommendations. I don't actually use any music software (other than Cool Edit for editing two-track masters) but I'll look for examples of these in use. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > listen to the end of Naked Blues on my website. I do this live with > the EDP with a guitar loop... > > http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn