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Well...I'll also vote 2, things can stay as they are...but leaving things "as they are" means keeping the already-fun OT list, as well as this list. Ha. I guess my vote of #2 means that I think OT discussion shouldn't require topic police on this list. Rather, just as it is now, we keep things GENERALLY within the viewable horizon of looping. And people can join the other one, or not. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com