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The only Zappa show I remember seeing with you Rick is the one at the Paramount Theater in Oakland. I believe it was Bozzio on drums but Zappa was the headliner that evening. I do remember bruce Fowler emptying his trombone spit valve into the orchestra pit, very attractive! I do remember I also saw him play at the Santa Cruz Civic when my friend Scott Thunes was his bass player but I went alone to that show. I think Chad Wakerman was playing with him then. Bill