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Though it's an unfashionable dinosaur and with almost none of the features of the RC-20, I personally would recommend the Digitech PDS pedals, either the 2-second or the exponentially pricier 8-second. They have a really tasty sound quality, and the ability to shift pitch w/delay time (two octaves from extreme to extreme) lends itself extremely well to creating interesting noises. They also can be tweaked internally for longer delays/loops, with lower resolution as the additional results which can also be a nice thing. Good sound references are Bill Frisell's older stuff (check the live record with Joey Baron and Kermitt Driscoll), and Sonic Youth's Lee Renaldo (who uses the 20/20 chorus/flange/echo, which is exceptionally tweakable). The 2-second versions, the PDS 1002/2000, are so cheap on Ebay that you could pick up three or four of them for the same price as an RC-20 and arm yourself with some real hell-raising potential. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > In the context of ambient / noise / drone / bleepblorp / circuit bent > music, which looper gives the best bang for the buck? I've heard good > things about the Boss RC-20; Any yays or nays out there? What are its > relative strengths and weaknesses?