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Cara, You make your point perfectly and I agree. It seems having two lists could stifle some of the dialogue that ultimately does loop back to topic (most times). Some of the off topic stuff also helps put some personality behind the community, which I don't think is a bad thing. I receive the digest version and but not in the manner that Per describes. I don't get one super post, I get a list of each individual post that I can click on if the subject heading interests me. Do others receive the digest in a different format? Lee -----Original Message----- From: Cara Quinn [mailto:CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: On vs off topic -and- irritating people... Hi Per, thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm familiar with filtering and such, and am subscribed to several email lists that all go to appropriate inboxes, or multiple lists to one, so I'm completely comfortable with doing that, but the points I was trying to make, I think might have been lost... Firstly, having all of the LD traffic, (whatever that may be) on one 'LD' list, promotes a smooth flow of ideas from extreme to extreme, which is personally, what keeps me coming back here to this list. Without that, honestly, the list would hold considerably less interest for me. :) -Just my own opinion, of course... Secondly, if a second list is to exist, and be somehow affiliated with LD, why should the moderation style HERE change? I know we've said that the status quo is to be preserved here, but as long as 'OT' posts are going somewhere else, that's not really happening in practice is it?... In other words, rather than simply letting this list adapt as it has done before, to accommodate people, actual material that would have gone to THIS list is now, not. So, instead of simple changes to the existing flow, to adapt it, it's being completely diverted, in an 'all or nothing' fashion. Does that make sense?... Furthermore, there is now more bandwidth on a regular basis about what is on vs what is off topic! lol! Isn't this exactly the sort of thing we were trying to avoid?... lol! -And of course, my own posts here, not withstanding! :) Now, having said all of this, as I understood what happened a few weeks ago, people were simply not happy about a book discussion which they felt interfered with the gear chat... So, a new list was started, where things like book chats could happen. I.E. LDOT... What I'm wondering is why the exclusive / heavily moderated gear chat and more extreme on topic format nature couldn't be applied to THAT list rather than this one?... Why do the book chats need to leave and the gear chat stay?... Why can't the book chats stay, and the gear chat stay as well?... :) -But, the extreme no-frills 'on topic' gear chat could move to the new list... Meanwhile, here on this list, we could simply continue as is, or was, rather, :) and just be more aware and practice better netiquette and have both book chats AND gear chats?... This doesn't, at the moment, seem to be what is happening. (even though we say it's supposed to) If I'm mistaken, then so be it, but I don't think I am... Lastly, as for my own personal thoughts on subbing to the new list, (aside from my mention above, of the notion of too much compartmentalization of the flow of ideas, causing interference in effect) just in a general access sense, different lists cause my email client and screen reader to ;display header info differently, so in effect, different lists are easier and less time consuming for me to read. This is one of the easy ones, whereas Google (while definitely not being the most difficult) is not... So for me, joining a chat list in that format would only be a nuisance. And, as I'd mentioned above, even if I did, the flow that has happened HERE, because of both extremes being present, still wouldn't exist. It's like separating a cake out into it's ingredients, and serving them. :) Sure, you'd still get what's in the cake, BUT IT'S NOT A CAKE!!! :) lol! Am I making sense now?... So, what I'm saying is that I think fragmenting like this is changing the primary nature of the list. If that's what people want, then fine, that's cool! :) It's just not MY personal preference... :) -And, as long as there is some sort of venue which is sort of, but not quite, affiliated with LD, where the book posts go, :) rather than going here, this list is a different place... Does that make sense?... Anyway, I hope I've clarified my points. Have a terrific day!... Smiles, Cara :) At 09:16 AM 10/11/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Just a reminder of what initially kicked off this discussion, since >no one have so far mentioned that in this new thread. It was about >making life a little easier for those who struggle with a digest >version of the list. In the digest version many letters are baked >into one super letter, which means the user can not use normal e-mail >filtering. Especially problematic for digest reading is when someone >quotes way too much and out of context. > >But people, please don't stop quoting now! Intelligent quoting makes >reading a lot easier and is generally regarded as good mailing list >manners. When replying, you should keep just as much of the old text >needed for a new reader to get the background to your own reply. Drag >with mouse button held down to mark text that you want to quote, hit >Reply, type something and finally hit Send. > >Thank you, Travis, for posting the list rules to the list. It just >dawned on me that I have never seen those on the list and that's bad. >Most lists have an automatic function that posts the general list >rules once a month to the list, just as a reminder. > >The "mysterious LDOT list" is not associated with this list in any >way other than that it was crated as a private initiative by a member >of this list and that some more members of this list is subscribing >to it. I personally use it to post things like guitar amp reviews, >funny stories or whatever not looping oriented. As for Cara's wish of >having it all on this list I would like to suggest a way to make that >happen in your own praxis; simply subscribe to the other list and set >you mail application to dump those mails into the same box as the LD >list. You don't even have to know to which list a single message >belongs - hit reply and it goes back through the same "list channel" >where it came in. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 10/9/2007 4:43 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 10/9/2007 4:43 PM