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Interesting, I didn't realize this is what granulation meant. I sure can't beat a Powerbook for portability (until Krispen and Rainer market their Pentium quad-core stompbox), but what I want is the dirty, fuzzy, hissy, sound of tape running around and around and being somehow interacted with by a spinning wheel of play heads. That just blows my mind. In that .pdf document, he talks about a three minute piece going by in two seconds. I want those kind of possibilities! Any suggested Stockhausen tracks that might feature this monster? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > A typical granular pitch shift done with Max or any of the cheaper > pitch shifters is using basically the same principle. Mine is as > portable as my Powerbook... ;-)