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The new Memory Man w/Hazarai, 16-Second DD, and the Pigtronix mentioned earlier all allow modulation of the loop, which while not entirely unpredictable, will get you partway there and have more flexibility than the Zvex. If you want to stick with analog, try tape. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi > looper. I am quite intriqued with this as I really am looking for > something of a "loose cannon" looper; something which will not produce > pristine audio, and will, in fact, not behave in any predictable or > prescribed way (As most fx devices will). I do understand the > limitations of the device...but actually find those somewhat > "embraceable"..... > I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with > fx, will somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which is being looped > (in my case, bass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into > another looping device.