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At 6:16 PM -0600 1/3/08, Daryl Shawn wrote: >The new Memory Man w/Hazarai, 16-Second DD, and the Pigtronix >mentioned earlier all allow modulation of the loop, which while not >entirely unpredictable, will get you partway there and have more >flexibility than the Zvex. If you want to stick with analog, try >tape. Oh, and if you want real unpredictability (and I say that like its a good thing ;) take a look at grabbing a pedal with a Feedback Loop and sticking a few different stompboxes into it. For example: Devi Ever's Eye of God ( http://www.deviever.com/fx/index.html and click on the 'eye of god' link on the left), Effector13's Truly Beautiful Disaster ( http://www.oohlalamanufacturing.com/tbd.html ), or Blackbox's Quicksilver ( http://www.oohlalamanufacturing.com/quicksilver.html ), to name but a few. You can have a *whole* lot of cool unpredictable fun with these things. Not to mention it'll allow you to recycle pedals that you may not have had a use for. --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye"