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Rainer asked: I'd like to ask the original poster (who was that again) how to count loops in that context? To me, if you overdub different parts (as opposed to just either doubling or harmonizing an individual loop) in a piece of music it doesn't really matter whether they are all in one loop (the DL-4 or EDP paradigm) or have them running simultaneously in separate , controllable channels (the Looperlative, Repeater, Ableton's LIVE, multiple instances of any software looping plugins or programs). Although one can make an arrangement more flexible with muteable and separately processed loops the tendency towards timbral, rhythmic or harmonic (or disharmonic) masking is still the same. Of course, not everyone even used this pargadigm of the looping artist as a 'one-person' band, but I was curious about the people who do use this paradigm. Obviously, someone like Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler or Claude Voit so really amazing things with retriggering up to 16 separate loops in the EDP but these don't exist in the same time with each other (unless one is running EDPs that are synced in stereo). How many loops do you tend to use in a piece of music. If there is such a thing as a typical Rainer Straschill set up for a 'song' what would it be. yours, Rick Walker