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I also echo that this has been an interesting discussion > And the next time anyone tells me how much > great publicity I will get for playing their gig >for free… I’m going to charge them $10 just for >saying that. And if they insist that it’s true, >I’ll charge them another $10. Then say that >it’s probably the most money I’ll ever make from >doing a free gig for them. :) I can totally sympathize with your feelings about hearing that phrase "do my free gig and you'll get great publicity" Pretty much the only thing I've ever gotten from doing free gigs is invitations to do more free gigs. So now I tell them that at this point in my musical career, I have recorded 8 albums, played on maybe 20 other recordings, toured all over north america, had other people record music I've written... I really don't feel like I need the little bit of publicity that their event will generate, what I need is to start getting paid consistently for my work; and that they would be way further ahead just asking me if I will support their cause. Then I explain that I would normally charge about $500.00 to do a concert like this. So if they'd like me to perform at their benefit for whatever, I'll charge them $500.00 and for every 50 people that come out I'll donate back $100.00, so if they work hard and get 250 people out to the concert they get my fee back as a donation and I get a tax receipt for donating that fee which is essentially what they're asking me to do anyway. These are just hypothetical numbers and I usually scale it to be realistic depending on the expected size of the event etc. By doing this I've been asked to play at a lot fewer free events but the ones that I do play at have been quite successful for all of us. I've also found that this policy makes people take my work more seriously because it has value. Earlier in my career I used to almost apologetically as for $100.00 to perform and all too often heard back from the organizer that I was a lot better than they were expecting because I was so cheap. It is an unfortunate reality that there is an underlying belief that we generally "get what you pay for" thus free equals pretty ho hum. Wasn't on this list that someone posted a story last year in the Washington Post about the concert violinist that was asked to busk at a busy Subway stop? Seems that only a couple of people stopped to listen at all to the guy who normally was receiving standing ovations in concert halls around the world; the difference.... as the song says "he was playing real good for free" my two cents Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca