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You disagree with my own experience of transcription? How the heck is that possible? That's like me saying I like strawberry icecream better than vanilla, and you disagreeing. :) My own experience and my learning style contradicts everything you say below. That's just one person's learning style vs. millions of others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- >>> I also like Bailey's interpretation of the value of transcribing in >jazz >>> or in learning to improvise. I've never found that as a useful tool, >in >>> terms of making me a better player or increasing my improvisation >>> skills...maybe making it easier for me to copy other players' licks >and >>> clichés, but nothing from a creative standpoint. > > I have to disagree with this. I suppose if you go into transcription >with > the goal of hijacking somebody else's style, that's all you'll get out >of > it. But transcription is an excellent form of ear training, and I would > argue that good ears are, if anything, even more important in authentic > free playing than in the mainstream. And nothing says you have to >restrict > your transcription to solo instruments. Try to pry apart some of Maria > Schneider's dense large-ensemble jazz voicings; even though I can do it > imperfectly, I think it can greatly improve one's clarity of expression. > > Brian >