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For the record, Chris, I didn't feel demeaned by your original comment (ancient history by now). It was a simple yet absolute statement, and I took it as a not-unfriendly challenge to explain my position, not a condemnation of any kind. I think it's commendable you, and Greg, and Rick, and Per, other people I've forgotten about, plus two good friends of mine in northern California are all making a living off music. It takes creativity, dedication, skill and the ability to, basically, run a small business, something I don't have the mettle to take on. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'm in awe of you guys. This all started with a very offhand, flippant > remark by me to a fellow musician looking for help with some gigs. I > felt bad originally because I felt like I demeaned him in some way. It > was not my intent. I deeply respect anybody who's out there in the > trenches.