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From my own experience, I'd say that Rick is onto something here. It's all to easy to want to put the multiplicity of human experience into a neatly packaged little box. For this reason alone, I rarely feel drawn to enter into LD philosophical discussions. Even if the brain waves produced under radically differing trance situations were similar, who among us has the faintest clue as to what that actually means? Dogmatic thinking is just as odious whether it comes from Bob Brozeman, Rick Walker, myself, or George W... May we all be humbled by that simple expression. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ