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> this is a variaton of what a clarinet teacher once tolde me: > if you don't practice, you are not a player, you are just a > clarinet owner. I care to disagree: practising the clarinet makes you a clarinet practiser. But coming back to the original discussion, I do think I understand the point you're trying to make: only if you use a certain contraption to make loops you're a looper. The point I was trying to make is that it's very well possible to use the DL4s delay modes for looping. Rainer